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For All Abilities

Jul 20, 2020

For All Abilities – The Podcast Episode Thirty - Lisa Woodruff - Organizing and ADHD Part One 


In this episode, I interview Lisa Woodruff of Organize365. On the podcast, Lisa talks about her early years with dyslexia and her incredible career helping people get organized. We discuss her books on organizing and ADHD

and her new book on mastery paper organization

We also talk about the impact that her home organization program had made on my home and life!

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Betsy Furler  0:05  

Welcome to for all abilities, the podcast. This is your host, Betsy Furler. The aim of this podcast is to highlight the amazing things people with ADHD, dyslexia, learning differences and autism are doing to improve our world. Have a listen to for all abilities, the podcast and please subscribe on whatever podcast app you're listening to us on. Hi everybody, this is Betsy Furler. Your host for all abilities podcast. Welcome back. And I have a seat I know I always say I have a special guest but today I have a super super super special guest. A really good friend of mine, Lisa Woodruff from organized 365 and I'm super excited that she is here to talk about ADHD and and what she does professionally which is Amazing. And I'm just thrilled that she's on my podcast. And she has a podcast of our own that I'm going to say a little bit about too after she introduces herself. So, Lisa, welcome to the for all abilities, the podcast.


Lisa Woodruff  1:15  

Se thank you so much You and I started working together years ago when you were in my organized 365 community audience and I was writing the book how ADHD affects home organization. And I asked you to write the agenda in the back, which ended up being like a third of the book about how different apps and accessibility can really help people with ADHD. So I love that you were part of that first book that I had coming out and then you are helping me with ideas for promoting my next book that is coming out August 4, called the paper solution that will be published by Putnam Random House.


Betsy Furler  1:50  

Yes, and I'm so excited about that book coming out and tell my listeners about your podcast really fast are your podcasts


Lisa Woodruff  1:58  

so organized recently 65 has been around for almost six years has almost 8 million downloads. And in that podcast, we really unpack the difference between decluttering your home getting your home organized, and how that leads to increased productivity and how the majority of the work that actually gets done and getting your home and your life organized starts with your mindset and your thoughts first.


Betsy Furler  2:20  

Yes, we both you and I definitely agree on mindset. Yeah, the things I've worked on mindset. And I have to tell my listeners, how we met because it's an unusual story. So well, kind of unusual, I guess. Um, I think it's unusual. So I had decided I was going to organize my house and I've always been fairly organized. But you know, as we all have things, you know, life happens and things get disorganized. So I've loved podcasts for years, and I decided to start listening to podcasts on organization on home organization. So I listened to a bunch of podcasts and I found yours and I loved it and after I've listened to To like 10 episodes in a row, I thought, I have to be friends with this woman, she, I got to meet her, I've got to meet her in person, she's got to be my friend. And so I continued listening and, you know, following your system and getting my house totally organized, which by the way, it's still organized because I still follow your system. And so if I need to touch up a little thing, it's like a 15 or 20 minute thing. It's not a days and days and weeks and weeks. So then fast forward, I don't know, maybe a year after that, or so. And you were writing your ADHD book and found out that I do, I'm an expert in the use of apps and people with all sorts of different disabilities. And so you called me and we started working on that together and then we ended up going to a conference and actually being roommates and within Think about six hours of snowing each other in part in person. I was at the time thinking about launching my other podcast, your app lady that I don't record anymore, but it's still available. And a lot of other people have told me I shouldn't record a pot do a podcast and you're like, Betsy, do the podcast, you can talk. You'll be fine. And you're totally right. podcasts are a piece of cake for me. So anyway, that's how we met and I'm so glad that I manifested our friendship.


Lisa Woodruff  4:29  

Yeah, you totally did. You totally did. And I love it. You're just such a creative person. You have so many ideas. You're always going a million miles an hour, as am I. And our conversations are so diverse and so eclectic. And we just get each other going off in so many different directions. It's so much fun.


Betsy Furler  4:47  

Wait, dad, and so I, I am so to my listeners. This is going to be a two part episode maybe three. And depending how long Lisa and I talk, we're talking. We're gonna talk way more than three 30 minutes for the podcast. So, um, okay, so back to the back to the purpose of the podcast and tell my listeners about what you were like as a little girl what your childhood was like.


Lisa Woodruff  5:14  

So I'm an extrovert, but I grew up kind of out in the country and there were 72 houses on the street and only two other families had children and they were boys, which was boring as a girl. And I had one younger sister and the reason I knew there were 72 houses was because I counted them. And I made a newsletter that I sent out to everyone in our neighborhood, and I also coordinated our neighborhood block party. So I was always very industrious. I'm a fourth generation female college graduate, all of my, the women on my mother's side of the family have all owned their own businesses. My great grandmother actually had four businesses in the 30s, which is amazing, like a floral shop and restaurant like, like big businesses, not just, you know, little businesses. And so I grew up with entrepreneurs. And as an extrovert without a lot of people to talk to I just basically talked to myself in my head and I created up all kinds of fantastic fun things to do. I created an invisible games for my sister and I were I named all of the different paths through our yard as if they were different streets in our city. And we would ride our bikes as if they were cars, and we used our baby dolls as if they were our children. And I called our bedrooms or mini apartments, and then we would meet at the cafe, which was that the kitchen and I was just coming up with all these unique ways for us to entertain ourselves. I think now as we're in the global pandemic, I often drawn those ideas to share with the kids that listen to the organized 365 podcast of ways to let your imagination you know, keep you company here in this safe at home environment during the pandemic were so much more creative than we realize we can be so that's the kind of child I was I was always creating new adventures and new things and I was able to play question At least even though as an extrovert, I was able to play quietly by rearranging my bedroom or reorganizing something somewhere else in the house or getting my sister to create an imaginary store with me. I did a lot of babysitting, and I would create imagination games with the kids that I babysat for. So, I was always busy doing something, but I would often clean up my mess is behind me. So it didn't seem that I was as scattered as maybe I was.


Unknown Speaker  7:26  

And how did you do in school?


Lisa Woodruff  7:30  

I did. Okay, I love learning. I still love learning. I was the one that always asked a question. If you're like, oh, if she would stop asking questions in class, that was me. I was always asking questions. I always wanted more knowledge. But I always had this floating. See, so my mom was a straight A student. She's a perfectionist, and I was not I always had a floating see and what that meant was, it was never in math, but it might be in English or history or science. And I would get a C on my report card and science and then I would try w hardest sciences and all sudden next semester, I would have seen history and then I tried doubly hard and history and then all of a sudden I'd have a C in some other class like I could never get all A's and B's, I always had this floating C. And it didn't really bother me because I'm not a perfectionist. And I knew I knew the information. But it really bothered my parents that my grade card did not reflect the intellect they thought that I had. And by my junior year in high school, I was taking a class. And I was raised Catholic. So I was in a Catholic High School. And I was taking a class and I read this whole thing about the conversation of bead and I read the whole entire thing, and I have a photographic memory. So I was taking the test. And I went up to the teacher, I said, I don't know what the answer to this question is, but it's on page four, line three, does that count? She goes, No, you have to actually know it. I was like, darn it. So then another class I about this conversation, a beat I go up and I said to the teacher, I said, You know, I understand they're having conversation in all but really, he's been converted to Catholicism. I don't know why they're not saying that she's like, read this word. And I'm like conversation. She said, read it again. I'm like, oh, converted. And that's when they took me to Sylvan learning centers. And they said, We think that Lisa has a learning disability. And they asked me a bunch of questions. I was a junior in high school. And they said, Well, I'll tell you what, if we run her through our battery of tests, she's going to come out just fine. But I'm going to give her this test that we would give her like on, you know, if you got through all these 10 levels, and we were trying to figure out what it is. So they gave me the test, and I failed it. And they said, she has dyslexia. They're like, 600 different kinds of dyslexia. They said, she has dyslexia, she has accommodated for it in multiple ways. It's not really worth doing anything about it right now. But that's why I could never get you know, all A's on my report card was because I understood the concepts. I understood what I was doing, but my spelling wasn't great. And so my reading comprehension was not always where it needed to be to get all A's and B's.


Betsy Furler  9:58  

Yeah, I kind of have a similar path. I've never been diagnosed with anything but my mom, even to this day will say hi, I think you just had to leave just have a touch of dyslexia. And I know that spell tech is now my friend or spell production and editors. My editors, yes, it was so helpful. And I was kind of the same way. I mean, I know my mentor in college said, you know, you're not really your grades aren't really reflecting your potential and then he did it but you're having a lot of fun. So there's a lot to be said. Like, Yes, there is. So how did it so you went off to college? Did you go right off to college after high school?


Lisa Woodruff  10:42  

Oh, yes. I mean, I you know, I came out of the womb with plans with five year 10 year 15 year goals like I had a planner before planners were cool, that's for sure. So I when I was in high school, I wanted to own my own business and be President of the United States and have four children and homeschool them all. I have done all those things, and I don't want to be president anymore. So three out of four isn't that only a two children, but they're the equivalent of four is often what I say. And I did end up homeschooling my daughter the last two years for last two years of high school. But I always knew I wanted to be a business owner. And my parents had enough money to send me to college. I went to Miami University in Ohio. And my dad had figured out it was going to cost about $80,000 to send me to college and 1990 to 1994. He was a salesman, he was a businessman. And he said, If you graduate in four years, I'll buy you a car because he knew a car was going to be $20,000. So same thing either go five years, or you get a car. So I got done in four years with two degrees. But he also sat me down at the age of 18. That summer, and he said I wanted to have a corporate daycare at that time. It was a new concept. And there were some corporate daycares in Akron, Ohio, and I knew one of the business owners that had started one and so I was intrigued with that. And my father said to me, you can go to college if you want or I will give you $80,000 And you can start, you know, your corporate daycare center, you could start your career and I was like, who jump right into entrepreneurship. To which my mother who had a four year college degree said absolutely not. She's going to college. So I went to Miami University and I really enjoyed it. I got a teacher degree and I was a teacher for a few years, but I think it was always evident from when I was a young child that I would eventually own my own business one day, it just took me a little bit longer to get there.


Betsy Furler  12:26  

But I think you're still a teacher even though you're not working in a school but you're everything you do professionally as all about teaching other people systems and and ways to go through them. And one of the reasons that I love your program so much, and your podcast is that you do so much and you move fast, but you have a really structured system behind it too. And I know that the way my mind works, because I can get Really distracted by all of my ideas that I have. And so a structured system while it's not kind of it's not my, it's not my go to, it's the thing that keeps me going, if that makes sense. So you like I'm running now, by the way, which I don't know if I've told you, but I'm a runner now, which is shocking. And, and I run every other day, and I run at the same time every day. And I, you know, I have this plan and structure of how I'm moving forward with my running. And if I didn't have that, if I just was like, I'm just gonna run when I feel like it. I would probably run like five times a day for the first two weeks, and then I would never run again. So yeah, the way you teach organization is so helpful. And I think for anybody with any kind of neuro diversity, it is really helpful to have a plan and a structure.


Lisa Woodruff  13:55  

Yeah, I 100% agree. My last year's actual teaching right before I start Organized 365 I went back to teaching for 18 months, and I taught Montessori middle school math and science. And I loved it. loved, loved, loved it. And what I loved about Montessori education was all of the focus was on learning. And there was structure in place, you know, we had the structure of the day, and we had the structure about how many minutes you had to do in each assignment. But there was so much freedom and how and how you got to learn the different subjects. And so my goal was to teach everyone algebra, and if you know anything about school, like when you ask kids, what's your least favorite subject more often than not, it's usually math, science, you know, that's not usually the favorite subject. So there were quite a few students in my class that were not really thrilled to be having their minutes with me. And I just took it as challenge great. I'm gonna make you love math as much as I love math. And I am going to teach you math in a way that you will understand it forever like I'm not as into the grade as I am to understanding the concept. So I could literally teach any algebra concept in eight or 10 different ways I would teach it with. In Montessori, we actually have three dimensional materials that will show you why a squared plus b squared equals c squared. It's fantastic for those that are visual learners, but other people are really just really good about learning formula. So we just learned the formulas. And being able to take the same concept and teach it in so many different modalities expands your thinking as a teacher, and that's what I do in organized 365. Like, I have this product called the sundae basket, which thousands of people are using and a psychologist went through and she analyzed the sundae basket and she said, the reason why it works for almost everyone is because you have all the different learning styles in there, you have all the different modalities you have, like any way that people would approach learning is inside of this one simple system because I kept refining and iterating the system so that it would work for all So that your learning style is baked into the system. And that's the fun challenge for me. How do I get you to love organizing as much as I do, so that you want to listen to the podcast and you want to organize more when before you thought, Oh, I'm not an organized person. I'm never going to learn to be organized. It's just a chore. It's a task that I want to check off and never have to do again. I had kids by the end of the year love math. They didn't love math before. And now I just do that with organizing.


Betsy Furler  16:25  

And back to school, and when you started working after school, how do you think your dyslexia affected you both in positive and negative ways? I think


Lisa Woodruff  16:41  

I tell you exactly when it was was my third year teaching, I had finally gotten a classroom of my own. And the only reason I got in that first year classroom class was because I had taught the extra half an hour or half day for kindergarteners the year before. And these are all children that were at risk for being on an IEP having some kind of Learning Disability behavioral disability in the future. And so they got an extra half day of kindergarten because our district did not have full day kindergarten. And so the administration said, we will give you a first year job, we'll give you a classroom, if you will take all of the disadvantaged children in your class together, instead of spreading them out amongst the other first grade classrooms so that you will loop with them so that the children when they come in fall, will at least have a relationship with you and your classroom style. And then you could pick up where you left off. And we want to see if this would work for these children. I thought, Yeah, great. I'm all in. So the school district I was in had a lot of free and reduced lunch and some of the children's parents were in jail or you know, there were a lot of, you know, not ideal circumstances of these children. And this was back in the time 1993 94 where you did fail children in first grade, like kids could legitimately fail and be held back in first grade. And I stood up as like a 24 year old kid in front of this Class of, you know, maybe 30% of the parents actually even showed up on teacher parent night where I supposed to explain about my classroom. And I stood there I remember to this day standing there and saying this, I said your child cannot it's physically impossible for them to fail first grade, the only thing that can happen is I failed to teach them. I said, so if you partner with me, your child will go to second grade and we will have this be the most, you know, productive year and have them learn as much as humanly possible and I will not stop in how I iterate and and teach them the skills that they need to go to second grade as long as you will support me because children cannot fail to learn only teachers can fail to teach and I just think that's in everything. If If you are teaching something, and the people that are coming to you, whatever age they are not understanding what you are teaching, then you just have not clarified your message enough you are not providing it in a way that they can absorb it because if they want to learn that information, it is on the teacher to learn how to teach it not the learner To figure out how to learn from that teacher.


Betsy Furler  19:02  

Yeah, good point. And you know, when we think about business and how we run businesses and how we just judge success of our business, it's always not judged on how well I know how to provide accommodations for someone or how well you know how to organize. Right. It's judged on how we then share that information with other with our customers. And so, and it's, it's interesting, you know, when you think about it that way that frequently in education, it's considered the child's problem if they're not learning.


Lisa Woodruff  19:39  

Right. And, I mean, doesn't I mean, now that you're hearing it doesn't that sound so backwards? How can it be a six year olds problem that they can't learn that just doesn't even make sense?


Betsy Furler  19:48  

It doesn't make sense at all, but it happens all the time, as we all know, and then, you know, the other thing that happens is and they're just taught the same way again, and they don't learn it. Time


Lisa Woodruff  20:00  

let me teach it slower the same way. Exact now they're just bored and frustrated.


Betsy Furler  20:07  

Right? Exactly. And I'm sure as a teacher and what you do now you are because you learn differently. You think about that a lot more. And then also I think you're so forgiving. I know I'm sure you were I'm sure you were like this 100 times more in the classroom even then you are in your organization business. But I knew even your organization business, you give people so much grace and you really, and you really teach people to have grace for themselves as well. So if you don't get it perfect this time, like just you know, we're all just doing the best we can and going forward and in your system. The first room is the kitchen and my kitchen is so organized. On Good job, Betsy, I always do the kitchen. I'm always 100% on the kitchen. And, but then when you think about our houses and where a lot of clutter comes up, it's in the kitchen. And so if you can keep your kitchen organized, kind of the rest of your house can, can fall into place so much easier. But I also, I've never felt while doing your organization program, and I've been doing it for a long time now, like I was trying to think before this call when I did find your podcast and it's been a long time. It has


Lisa Woodruff  21:34  

to be at least four years, at least for years.


Betsy Furler  21:37  

Henry was going off to college. So that was four or five summers ago. It was a long time. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, um, and and my kitchen is still like, totally organized and the other I want you to tell So, so I think sometimes our when we're in crisis All of our weaknesses, you know, come blaring out. And I know for me that is, um, you know, I do have more difficulties spelling. When I'm stressed out or in crisis, my organization can can like, take a really organized and in life typically, but if I'm under crisis I go one of two ways I get either way, way way more organized. Yeah or it was like totally falls apart. So I would love for you to tell my listeners about the your countertop kitchen countertop story because I think about that all the time and it really keeps me motivated to keep my kitchen counters clean and it also gives me a lot of grace of if I feel like my kitchen counters are getting messy. I'm like, I least have a place for my groceries. So tell my listener kitchen countertops story. Oh, hell yeah. Your life.


Lisa Woodruff  23:05  

So this is how I started organized 365 in 2012 a couple of things first, you mentioned something about, you know, working at getting towards perfect or this isn't perfect. I don't even try to get to perfect anymore. And I think when you start to realize that perfect isn't a place it doesn't even exist even if you see it on Pinterest or in a magazine. I know bloggers whose houses are literally perfect. And when they go into magazines and the magazine team shows up, they rearrange their house to be even more perfectly it does not exist. We are we are trying to get to something that does not exist. So to tell you the 2012 story, I have to start back in 2011. Now, you've heard a little bit about the kind of teacher I am. I was teaching in a Montessori school that I loved. And it was the Thursday before winter break and I had been held back for a meeting with a parent that was not necessarily So we had this meeting with the parent. But the problem was not that I had to have this meeting with the parent after school. The problem was Greg and I were out of vacation days, we were out of sick days, we were taking days off of work without pay. And one of our kids needed medical attention that night, and neither of us could get to that child and it was pretty severe. And my administrator not only held me back for that unnecessary teacher meeting did not have to happen at that time. But when that parent left, the teacher said, I need you to stay back for to talk with me. And I was like, Alright, fine, you know, knowing that I had a child at home that needed me. And she proceeded for 30 minutes to tell me what a bad teacher I was, and how I was not measuring up and I wasn't doing good. If I'm teaching 21 middle schoolers, individual math assignments, and I'm not doing good enough. And I'm driving home Of course, it's raining, you know, it's raining, it's dark. I'm driving home. It's like a country song. And I'm thinking to myself, and I'm like, I am failing as a wife, as a mother as a homeowner as everything in my life except for teaching. Now my administrator just told me I'm failing at that to like, well, this must be rock bottom. Like, clearly, I am no longer meeting my own expectations for anything in my life. And I thought, well, I'll be darned if I am good to go down meeting the expectations of an unrealistic administrator, and yet failing the children that God has given me to be their mother and look back 20 years from now go, well, shoot, I wish I would have put the time into my kids. Because they're the only I mean, no one else can be their mom. No one else went out.


Betsy Furler  25:32  

So that's so true. That's so important to remember too.


Lisa Woodruff  25:36  

And we were I mean, we were spiraling into debt more and more and more debt. And so I walked in the door, Greg is such a laid back type B person, I was like, I think I'm gonna quit my job, you know, like, all up in arms and he's like, All right. So I go upstairs, I write the resignation letter. I come back. I was like, great if you guys whatever. So I quit my job. So here we are in the beginning of January. I did start the blog, organize 365 I knew Little bit about the internet and blogging and watch some people be successful and there was a way to do this blogging thing. So I registered organize 365 and got started knowing that organizing was going to be my thing. And I could do it 365 days a year, I had no idea what I was gonna do after other registering the domain. So I went to the grocery store. First day, I'd been in the house by myself for at least 18 months, came home with groceries, walked in the door and I went to put them on the counters and all the counters were full. I mean, I can't even tell you what's on the full on what was on them. I don't even know. And if you see Instagram and you see my house and you see my kitchen, it's ridiculous. I have two nine foot long countertops plus more. I have more counters than anybody has, especially in the size house that I have because we redid our kitchen. No, no countertop space. All right, I'll put all this the stuff on the floor and then I'll start putting it away in the refrigerator in the cabinets and I started opening the cabinets and it was like I was in somebody else's house. I didn't recognize anything in the cabinets. So I start Walking around the house and looking in the linen closet and other closets and


Unknown Speaker  27:03  

I had been on


Lisa Woodruff  27:06  

the hamster wheel of just reactively living my life for so long that I did not recognize my own home and I'm a born organized person. Like I've been organized as a child. I was organized when the kids were young and in grade school, but I was about to turn 40 and I didn't recognize my house, I didn't recognize myself, I didn't recognize my life. And I sat down and I made a list of all the spaces in my house that needed to be organized. And I said to my husband, I know we need me to earn money, but we're Gen X are so we have really good credit. So we're just gonna keep using this credit because I got to take back this house, I've got to take back my house, I have got to start living a productive life again.


Betsy Furler  27:44  

I love the story. And I you know, the other thing that I think that my listeners can really take away from that is you kind of took the, you know, one of the worst times in your life and where It pointed out kind of your, you know, where you were falling apart. And then you turned it into this like, amazingly positive thing.


Lisa Woodruff  28:08  

And it really didn't happen overnight. You know, everybody knows that took eight years to get where we are and organized 365. Right, like, everybody recognizes that


Betsy Furler  28:16  

it only took eight years. Like, you know, but you got to start somewhere. And when you know you then you also kind of jumped in with like, Okay, what is basically you use your own accommodations, like your accommodations, our organization, you know, all of that writing things down getting things structured, and you used your own accommodations, in order to both turn your house around, which I'm sure at that point time was not really you didn't think you're going to build this big business around that you just wanted a house together, and then figure out what you're doing next. But you've ended up into making this amazing this this incredible business and So I'm gonna, I think we're gonna slide into part one now, Lisa, okay. Because I think this is a good point to end but just in case people don't hear the end of Part Two, I want you to tell my audience again, about your, the book that's coming out in August. And you also have the book, the ADHD book that I want you to tell them about and also where they can, how they can get in touch with you after if they want to follow you on all the social media and find out more about your program.


Lisa Woodruff  29:34  

Oh, thanks, Betsy. Yeah, if you've liked this conversation at all, and you like podcasts, you might like the organize 365 podcast so just search organized 365 in whatever podcast player you have, I'm on them all. That's the best way to get started with me. And then the paper solution is coming out August 4, the paper solution is, you know, paper is something that you can hide that you can shove in closets and filing cabinets and deal with later but there is you Usually some kind of life event that happens that where you need your paper, whether someone gets ill and you need to be there power of healthcare, you have a family member pass away and you need to be the executor of their estate, you have a child and you need to coordinate all their papers in order to go to an IEP meeting, or you just feel like he would like your kitchen counter for food. Thank you. And could we get these piles of paper off of there and start a weekly habit of the Sunday basket. The paper solution solves all those problems. It's written so you can read it like a novel all the way through or you can if you just became the executor of your parents estate, you can grab the book and flip right to the financial binder page and start reading and Betsy is featured in that book. When we talk about medical the medical binder. The conversation that Betsy and I had one night when we were posted in hotel lobbies.


Betsy Furler  30:50  

We were just chit chatting


Lisa Woodruff  30:51  

back and forth while she was working on Henry's medical binder. So I tell that story in there as well. paper is powerful like in America. We're never going to be paperless. We can have less paper, but we're never going to be paperless. So if you're like, Okay, well fine if I can get down to 15% of the paper I have today, how would I do that and this book walks you step by step through how to do that. And then the book that Betsy helped me with is how ADHD affects home organization. Both of my children were diagnosed with ADHD when they were children. One has had that diagnosis since removed, but they both went to a learning disability school here in Cincinnati, called Springer school and center. I was a parent there for eight years, I said I should have been able to walk graduation. And we were done with those bills. I was definitely college tuition pricing. And they brought in so many experts in the field of ADHD in conjunction with Cincinnati Children's Hospital and I got to learn about ADHD from the best of the best as a parent. And Springer also collaborates with teachers in Cincinnati and teaches them about ADHD. And so I learned about all of the eight executive functions and over time in professionally organizing people's homes most Of whom either had or self professed to have had ADHD, I realized that there were six executive functions that relate to how you organize your home. That are that if you can understand what your brain is trying to do, and then see what's happening in the home, just knowing what the process is, you're better able to put accommodations in. And it is my heart's desire, maybe someone listening this podcast will be able to help me with this in the future. It's my heart's desire to be able to run studies specifically about women who have ADHD, and how they function in the home. I feel like we have a lot of accommodations for people with ADHD in work environments, in home environments, inside of volunteer organizations, but when you're at home, you're isolated and there aren't the supports there that you have in other places. So I really would love to run some studies on that.


Betsy Furler  32:50  

Awesome Well, thank you so much for joining me today and listeners. Please also follows subscribe review rate All of those things fall on the for all abilities, the podcast on whatever podcast player you use. And Lisa is going to be back with us next week. So thank you so much for listening in today. Thanks, Betsy. Thanks so much for listening to the for all abilities podcast. This is Betsy Furler, your host and I really appreciate your time listening to the podcast. And please subscribe on any podcast app that you're listening to us on. If you'd like to know more about what we do in our software that helps employer support their employees with ADHD dyslexia, learning differences in autism, please go to www dot for all You can also follow us on Instagram. And you can follow me on LinkedIn at Betsy Furler f as in Frank, you are elhuyar Have a great day and we will see you soon